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Have Your Say: Did Van Damme make a Big Mistake by turning down THE EXPENDABLES?

by Al Young, January 13, 2010 3:20 PM


Often in the show-biz we hear actors turning down a role over creative differences or self-important politics.  Either the role they turned down could cost them a golden missed opportunity leaving them to regret the choice later or sometimes it could lead to avoiding career suicide.  Its been already reported before that Jean-Claude Van Damme has passed up on appearing in The Expendables, a role which ultimately went to Dolph Lundgren instead.  Basically what it came down to is the character wasn't to his satisfaction.  Other actors who also declined or withdrew for whatever reasons include Wesley Snipes, Jackie Chan, 50 Cent, Kurt Russell, Forest Whitaker, Steven Seagal, and Scott Adkins.  Since a video has recently emerged of him in a press conference explaining what happened when Sylvester Stallone made the offer, I figure I'll bring this question up and get your 2-cent on the matter.  So did he make the right call? 

If you ask me, I think its Van Damme's loss.  To become part of an all-star cast of action greats is nothing to scoff at.  The Expendables has the potential to make action movie history and bring an unforgettable experience to the fans.  A chance like this doesn't just come along very often.  Beside, hes no longer a bankable star as before in the late 80's so appearing in a theatrical release could raise his status and put him back on the map and away from B-movie hell.  As they say in Hollywood, publicity is everything.

Check out the video and then have your say at the comments section below. 

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That's a really interesting video and I can totally see Jean Claude's side of it. That said, though, I think from a business perspective and based on what doors the back-to-back of JCVD and The Expendables could have opened up for him in the long run, yeah ... I think this was a bad mistake on his part.

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... at least as bad as Michelle Yeoh turning down the Seraph role in the Matrix sequels. Golly, that worked out well for her career ...

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I'm a Lundgren fan. So I'm super happy he is playing the role.

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Would EXPENDABLES have interfered with finishing up EAGLE PATH? If so it becomes a more understandable bad decision. Still bad, though.

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I hate to break the news to you Mr.Brown, but Michelle Yeoh's career is still very active. It's best not to base a foreign actor's career health on how many American movies they've made. That's rather myopic!

Yeoh is still making plenty of films, many in Asia and a few in the West.

A better analogy would be Shu Qi's decision to turn down the role of Jen Yu in "Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon". The role that made a virtual unknown Ziyi Zhang a star.

However Van Damme's decision will probably haunt him in the end. As stated in the article, the publicity, from being associated with the project alone, is enough to get him work for the next several years.

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Michelle was offered the part right after Crouching Tiger, when her international exposure was it its highest. She turned it down because she wanted to produce her own films and control her own path to becoming an international leading lady. The results? The Touch and Silver Hawk, arguably the two biggest bombs of her career. Yeoh hasn't had a leading role since - Jianyu Jianghu will break that streak later this year - and had her scenes deleted from Fearless, the only film she's made in Asia AT ALL since Silver Hawk. So, yeah, I'd say choosing Silver Hawk over The Matrix did serious damage. It took her from being one of the international film world's most bankable leading ladies into being a bit player in international films and completely erasing her from her native market.

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Having the matrix sequels under anyone's resume is a far bigger stain.

As for Van Damme, the guy's ego probably got inflated once more after JCVD. Tough shit for him, because nobody is going to offer him anything with that much exposure in the future.

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You've obviously never seen The Touch or Silver Hawk. And whether you like the Matrix sequels or not they made BAGS of money, which is hugely important from a future casting perspective. Nobody ever casts Keanu because he's the best actor out there, they cast him because he's bankable. It's a dollars and cents business ...

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For some reason Todd you seem to forget about the existance of the Mummy 3, Sunshine, and even the atrocious Babylon A.D, which for all it's awfulness it was still a hollywood blockbuster. All these films made after Michelle did her own flicks that bombed, all of them with plenty of international promotion. Was has Van Damme done after JCVD? Where is he heading now? More stuff in the direct-to-video market?

The Matrix sequels launched the careers of absolutely nobody, Jada Pinket Smith is not getting any more high profile flicks, Reeves career was saved by the first matrix, not the sequels. Collin Chou didn't got any real relevant hollywood flicks (sans Forbidden Kingdom, ugh) So, um, i still fail to see what point you are trying to make. Michelle's career is not dead, Van Damme's career is the one truly dead so far.

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Shu Qi's agent turned that role down for her saying that it conflicted with the filming of a Coca-Cola commercial.

I'd be getting a new agent is all I can say!

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Here is a different side to story from someone with an insider view that is contrary to JCVD claims:

As for JCVD, it is clear that during the pathetic excuse for a press conference he exhibited a real case of sour grapes. JCVD was disrespectful, insulting and showed he has no character. But then again most of us knew that. That doesn’t mean some of his movies aren’t good, he isn’t in good shape or that he isn’t a martial arts expert – just that he clearly created a mythology about what happened to make it look like he turned down Sylvester Stallone for creative reasons. Bull@#!%. I’m not going to get into a he said/he said dialogue here since I wasn’t present for the conversations. But again, my understanding is Sly really wanted JCVD and was writing a part for him – just as he did for Jason, Jet, Dolph, Mickey, etc. Doing this film was never about the money for Sly so I find it completely implausible that he tried to lure JCVD with the promise of riches. A rewarding experience, a chance to get back on the big screen in a big film and a role that would allow him to show his chops? Yes. The promise of money money money. No. Anyone who knows how NuImage operates knows that getting money out of Avi is like milking a hummingbird – he has a formula that he sticks to which is why he is successful. Sly had x amount of $ to make the film and he wanted to get the most out of it. Giving bundles to a marginal screen draw makes no sense. John Wright is right (heh heh) – the script went through over 100 rewrites…JCVD’s character was not fleshed out completely but Sly had an outline for who he was. As with the other actors, JCVD would have the opportunity to develop the character. I think it came down to how much of a team player would JCVD be – remember this was an ensemble piece – everyone had to click – ego on set would not be tolerated. My thoughts – JCVD was perhaps the architect of his own demise in terms of the film because of ego and perhaps a little feeling of intimidation. That’s my take and it is filled with a lot more truth than any speculation I’ve seen here. Get it? Got it? Good.

Source: http://ethelmae.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/a-broken-neck-and-a-broken-jcvd/

awesome thanks for that.and as most guessed its the team player element. some people are just stay legends in their own mind and can do no wrong no matter how their ticket-buying public see them. and unfortunately van damme is a ham. an 80s ham. good man. like some spam? in a can.

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I would like to see Van Damme in Expendables, but I also undestand his point of view on that matter.
But after watching the latest Promo Video of Expendables, I have some doubts about that project being a "career savior" for the forgotten B-Grade Stars (Gary Daniels is in it too, somebody remember him?)
It seems to be more a "Say Good Bye Gala" for the aged stars of the last decades, then a new start in the A-Liga of Hollywood.
So who knows? I'm happy with Dolph though. He could give a good performance too.
By the way, about all the Matrix Cast, still nothing to hear except about the awfully untalented Keanu Reeves. What are the Guys doing? Carrie Ann Moss, Jada Pinkett Smith, Lawrence Fishburne...looks like many careers were frozen.

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Carrie Ann faded for justifiable reasons. She's just not that good. Jada's still big in the black community. And Lawrence continues to be busy at about the same pace he was before The Matrix ... I think he's just got a pace and style of work that he enjoys.

Todd, I hate to be off-topic here but your claim of Jada Pinkett being big in "the black community" just didn't sit right with me. I don't think you are racist but it came off a bit offensive and a bit silly (and unfounded). In this day and age, why can't we look at actors as just being actors? It's one thing to acknowledge an actor's nationality but to single them out for their race and saying that only one certain race would appreciate them is insulting and yes, can be interpreted as racially insensitive.

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Certainly not intending to be racist but there are undeniably actors whose dominant body of work is targeted to a certain community. How many white people, for instance, go to see a Tyler Perry movie? But the guy's HUGE.

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@ Todd
But all in all they didn't "make" it, right? Same like Elijah Wood after Lord of the Rings.
Michelle Yeoh ist still good in business. It's just, (don't like to say it) the lady gets old. And it's always hard for "aged" woman to find suitable roles, especially when it comes to action. Others would have been retired with 35, but Michelle is coming with many projects in 2010 on the big screen.
I just think, the Matrix wasn't a good career jump board for any actor. Nobody watched the actors, it was about the bullet time in the Matrix Movies, right?

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The comparison I'm making here is that Michelle turned down a hugely viable, visible and successful film for someone else in favor of a bigger role in a personal project. I'm equating The Touch / Silver Hawk for Michelle with The Eagle Path for Van Damme. Would The Matrix have 'made' her? No, but she really didn't need to be made, at that point. She was already there. The Touch / Silver Hawk duo, however, literally killed her career as a leading lady and as a viable actress in Asia at all. Once one of the biggest stars in all of Asia, that single decision KILLED her there. She's made only one film produced on the continent since and in that one film she had all of her scenes cut out. After Crouching Tiger could you have imagined anyone EVER cutting Michelle Yeoh out of a film? I honestly don't think Michelle faded out because of age at all. She still looks fantastic and is still a great actress. I think she faded out because she made some spectacularly bad decisions with her roles at a key moment in her career.

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To come back at this from another angle and make it specific to Jean Claude ...

With JCVD he proved that he was capable of leading in a theatrical film again and, more than that, that he was capable of turning in a nuanced, powerful performance. This was his chance to reinvent himself and recreate his career. Whatever his next project, probably his next two projects, were they needed to build upon that base. Now that he had proven he could be in theaters again he needed to prove that a) it wasn't a fluke and b) that this new version of Jean Claude could make some money for producers because JCVD didn't, really. Whatever came next didn't need to be The Expendables or any other specific project but it needed to be something that proved he was growing in a new, commercially viable direction.

What did he do?

He turned down an obviously viable, theatrical film to make a small, personal project backed by his own company. To be fair, I HUGELY respect Jean Claude's decision to build his new company around his family and involve them all in his professional life and I truly, sincerely wish him all the best for this. He is clearly trying to get his personal life in order and invest some serious time in his kids - something that far too few people do and he needs to be applauded for it. Also, from what I've heard from people who have seen the in-progress cut, Eagle Path is apparently quite good and could do well for him. The problem is, in terms of career path, it is also much too close to the sort of film that landed him in DTV hell in the first place. If he's choosing a different career road, he REALLY needs to choose a different career road.

Making it worse, Eagle Path won't even be the first post-JCVD film to get out there, that honor going to the new Universal Soldier, which is EXACTLY the sort of film that landed him in DTV hell in the first place and never had a snowball's chance in hell of significant theatrical release, despite this seemingly sincere belief from the people who made it that they were going to open on a thousand screens or so.

The issue isn't so much about The Expendables for me. The issue is that, at a key moment, Jean Claude missed the chance to do something that would push him forward and instead went right back down the road that got him into the situation he clearly hates in the first place.

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I think his head got a bit big after his JCVD movie and the thinks he can get a better role or demand a better role. It's a mistake I believe because no matter if Expendable bombs, it would still be remembered and may have a cult following. What's Jean Claude's next movie coming out? Another try at Universal Solider. *sigh* He would've done better with Expendables. Steven Segal also made a bad decision not accepting. Lawman!!?? such a laugh and none of his movies ever make it to big screen anymore. No matter how many he churns out in a year. This would've been his chance to not go direct to DVD again.

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damn man

Wesley Snipes, Jackie Chan, 50 Cent, Kurt Russell, Forest Whitaker, Steven Seagal, and Scott Adkins.

all the sick actors, except for Steven and 50.
But it would still be cool to see one of them in the movie:/

Damn man!

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Maybe JCVD wanted out of the whole mindless action scene after "JCVD"? I can't blame him. It's a tired genre and hardly any fun anymore.

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50 Cent got dropped like a hot turd, because he is just that; a fucking non-entity, a goddamn charisma vacuum...fuck him...-- thank the lord that Sly gave the role to Terry Crewes (damn shame his role got cut in T4). I don't see how Sly would give a role to JCVD instead of Dolph, when it makes perfect sense to see Dolph in a film with Sly...and lets not forget JVCD and Dolph can be see together in Universal Soldier Regeneration (which i doubt is anything to shout about...but its cool nevertheless...)

JCVD is moving forward with his production company which is why he turned down the role, that was what I heard and that'll do for me...I can't be arsed with all the bollocks and chinese whispers. There is always some cunt that will try and be a rotten little bastard and spread vicious rumors.

It is a shame he aint in it, but that's that. Arnie & Bruce are in it and that'll do me!! and who is to say there wont be some sequels in the future (which I think have already been hinted at..)

Also, a shame that danny trejo couldn't be in it...and to an extent Scott Adkins, but nevermind...I'm holding on for the new Undisputed, he'll kick much ass in that!

So yeah, bollocks to the hear say, fingers crossed for JCVD and 'Eagles Path' and you fucking know that The Expendables is gonna rock!

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This is an interesting dialogue to me, you know it seems to me at this point in the career of any of these guys be it Stallone or JCVD or who ever there sort of past the point of really needing a big break or a hail mary pass of career reconstruction. Everyone know who these guys are and loves em or hates or is apathetic and they have both been playin' the game so long that if Stallone doesn't get to make Rambo 12, I doubt he's going to be crying himself to sleep. Ditto for JCVD.

In a way I think both of these guys are doing really interesting solid work, I mean Sly has been doing the Hollywood thing since the beginning so it's not too surprising that he would know how to put together solid action/genre franchise fare be it Rambo or Rocky or whatever, he know this stuff in his sleep and has for years.
I've always got the sense that JCVD, never really dove into the writing/directing (ala Sly) side of it the past and was more doing what people told him to do and I think he's at the point now that when he stand in front of the camera he's not thinking how is this going to get me blow or broads or the green stuff, he's thinking, dude what the hell am I doing here? And in a way that makes him more of an interesting dude to watch to me. JCVD has even got Lee Marvin-FACE i.e. I know longer need tag lines and shit, I look the camera in the eyes and the audience and I both know something is gonna get f-ed up real good. (Don't believe me on this? Watch that scene in that new Universal Soldier where Lundgren is monologue (pretty nicely I might add), JCVD is standing in the background slightly out of focus no less and still putting out the is-it-time-to-bring-the-pain-yet vibe.

So basically, I know that Stallone is going to put out product that is going to entertain me, but whenever JCVD's put out something it surprises me and in a way that a lot more exciting and valuable to me as a movie goer.


My two Cents.

P.s. As far as Mr. Seagal goes, after watching Steven Seagal: Lawman, that man neither surprise me nor entertain me, no Mr. Seagal is weed in reverse, things come out of his mouth that make me dizzy and make my brain stop working. Steven Seagal is weed.

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Dolph's a much more interesting choice anyway. Rocky vs Drago 25 years later. How can you not like that?

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The guy's his own worst enemy - like the press conference above. A lot of people want to like him and his movies, but he can't help being a bit of a... Anyhow, yes he made a mistake. But no, because it'll probably suck as much as Rambo. Expectations are too high. It's never going to live up to its cast. What they should've done is get a safer director on board - McTiernan maybe (or is he in prison?)

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Mr.Brown look at the evidence:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000706/

The woman has worked consistently since 1985. She is now doing what she intended to do, which is produce. I don't know what world you inhabit but not many actors can take on a starring role in a film and still find time to be its producer as well...

You can bang the "The Touch / Silver Hawk" drum all you like, but the reality is she has never been a star in Hollywood films, just like the ever acclaimed Ziyi Zhang hasn't been. Collin Chou's (aka Seraph) career hasn't been all that outstanding since the Matrix. So your theory that your favorite film series somehow launched amazing careers is rather self serving and flawed.

Now I really don't care about Yeoh one way or another, outside the fact that she's an excellent actress. However, If you are going to post a comment about her or any other actor's accomplishments at least do more homework than your personal memory or hardened opinions.

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Zinjo, I'm busy counting the ungrounded assumptions in your comment.
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