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Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith Reviews

by Todd Brown, May 5, 2005 11:10 PM


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There are two reviews listed here, one right after the other. Todd's, the first one, sounds really pro. Mine, the second one, just has a lot of revealing stuff - and sounds like it was written by just some schmuck watching a movie. Either way, here we go: -d

Here's a back handed compliment for you: Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith is pretty easily the best of the three prequels. Seems like a nice thing to say ... what's so back handed about that? Well, the first two films were so bad that being "better" in no way necessitates being "good". And good this aint.

I got the chance to see an invitation only screening of Revenge of the Sith today - a bit of karmic payback for bringing folk along to see an early screening of Shaun of the Dead a while back - and jumped all over it hoping against hope that this would be the film where Lucas redeems himself, but no.

On the plus side is that - other than an ill-advised Tarzan yodel from a wookie swinging on a vine - Lucas stays away from the kiddy humor that marred the first two films so badly. This has a much more serious tone with Anakin and Obi-Wan both finally allowed to flex some serious muscle without having to mug for the camera. This is a good thing. On the negative side ... well ... pretty much everything else ...

I'm not going to spend a lot of time on plot line since that's already been widely publicized but I won't make any attempt to avoid spoiler territory from this point on, so be warned ...


Right. Anakin turns into Darth Vader. The film in a nutshell. Lucas has been sitting on this basic story idea for well on thirty years now, so how far wrong could he go? How many mistakes are there to make? Judging from the bursts of unintended laughter and the handful of people who just got up and walked out part way through the film - a fairly shocking thing at an invite-only screening - there are lots.

First is the script. Lucas can't write. At all. This was very obvious in the previous two films and equally obvious here. The pacing is bad and the dialogue simply atrocious. While the first film shoveled the lion's share of bad lines onto Jake Lloyd and good ol' Jar-Jar - limited to a couple of non-speaking appearances in this one - and the second hit Hayden Christiansen, this one is just cruel beyond words to Natalie Portman. And I'll bet she's wishing it was literally beyond words as she here gives BY FAR the worst performance of her career. But what's a girl to do? She's got to say what's on the page. Every scene Portman is in is a bad one. Every single scene. The chemistry between Padme and Anakin, which is rather important in the overall scheme of things? Non-existent. Don't get mad at the poor girl, pity her.

Second are the massive leaps in logic and holes in plot and motivation large enough to drive a truck through. There are far too many of these to count, but here are the biggies. Anakin and Padme are in a clandestine marriage which, as the film makes a very big deal of in their first scene together, if anyone learns of will cost Padme her place in the Senate and Anakin his position with the Jedi. Do they try to hide this relationship? Only if kissing in full view of twenty or thirty other politicians and living in the same house counts as hiding. Otherwise, no. Also, Padme is very visibly pregnant. I'd say about seven months along. And yet nobody seems to know that she's carrying twins. Que? You're living in a civilization with massively advance medical technology and you don't know you've got two kids in there rather than one? It's not that hard to tell, really. Here in our primitive times we do ultrasounds within the first couple months of pregnancy that would make the twinnage perfectly obvious. Do Senators not have medical coverage? Get to a doctor, woman!

A bit picky, those ones? How about this? Anakin's primary reason for choosing the dark side is his concern for Padme's health after having visions that she will die in childbirth. He is told that he can save her if he chooses the dark side and runs off to slaughter a room full of children in training to be Jedi. Again, we are in a massively advanced civilization. The character in question is already sporting an entire synthetic arm and the entire audience is aware that he will soon be alive only because there is medical technology capable of rebuilding him from the ground up. You want me to believe that turning on your friends and slaughtering a roomful of children on behalf of a man you know to be evil and plotting the overthrow of the Republic you have sworn and trained to protect is a better option than just taking your supposedly clandestine wife to get a C-section? Come on ... suspension of disbelief will only get you so far. If you have already established that your world has access to incredibly advanced medicine you simply cannot ignore that entire established structure in something as key as this. Not only does Anakin's 'motivation' not ring true it rings completely and laughably ridiculous. Just as ridiculous as the teary dialogue he shares with his poorly scripted wife.

Okay, enough of that. How about the action? Well, despite a similarly horrible script The Phantom Menace managed to salvage a good deal of entertainment value thanks to having the most compelling Jedi / villain combo in the Star Wars universe's history in Liam Neeson and Ray Park. The rest of the film may have been brutal but Darth Maul flat out ruled. No such luck here. After giving the Jedi the big finish in Episode Two with sabers flashing and bodies falling, in Episode Three the Jedi fall without a whimper. And were you looking forward to the big wookie battle? Don't. It's over in the blink of an eye and features not much at all to look at. Lucas clearly has no Ray Park here and the film feels the absence. None of these people can actually fight which makes for some rather dull fight scenes. Any number of Asian films have done the supernaturally powered fight thing so much better than Lucas that his thunder has been stolen. The bar has been raised and he just doesn't reach the new level. Even Dark City with its much smaller budget manages to do a far more convincing job of mind-control as a weapon than Lucas can pull off here.

The film too often falls into the Sky Captain Syndrome: animated characters fighting other animated characters simply is not interesting. But these are real people, you're saying. Not really. General Grievous is totally synthetic and totally lacking in any of the requisite villain charisma. Not menacing, not frightening, not impressive. Yoda is also obviously false, and while digital Yoda may be more mobile than puppet Yoda, puppet Yoda was far more expressive and believable in his interaction with human actors than digital Yoda will ever be. The others? Any time they do something remotely interesting they have been completely removed from the film and replaced by CG. Ridiculous back flips o'plenty and every single one of them is obviously false. Gimme a guy in a wire rig over a digital painting any day.

Which brings up the next obvious problem: the CGI. Lucas is wildly over dependent upon it and it hurts the film. Part of what allowed people to buy into the original trilogy was the fusion of special effects with model and puppet shots. Things were obviously being created but they were tangible and tactile which allowed you to accept them more easily. No such luck here. If it's not a person it's digital and even a lot of the people exist only in the computer. WETA showed us this can be done convincingly with Gollum but there is nothing, absolutely nothing, here that even approaches that level of believability and photo-realism. With the digital characters and environments both it almost feels as though ILM forgot to put the final layer of texturing on everything. Everything looks plastic with densities and light textures all the same, and it's just not believable. If you're going to put actual human actors into a digital environment then that digital environment absolutely must hit a believable level of photo-realism and these clearly do not. It looks like a good piece of Photoshop work or a solid trailer for a high end PS2 game.

So. Yeah. If you enjoyed the first couple Episodes you will likely enjoy this. The mistakes here are - believe it or not - not quite as plentiful or as serious. But if those first couple films left you feeling that your childhood had just been trampled upon: stay away. Better, but not good.


Review Number Two

1 Screening + No Non-Disclosure Agreement = Spoilers galore. Hang on to your tits. First, I'll say this: I'm going to spill the beans on a bunch of bare facts then touch on the general stuff. So fer Pete's sake, don't read this if the Star Wars theme gives you a woody.

Here's the situation: 4 guys went to see ROTS. And, although the lot of you, deep down, know this will already be the case for the grand lot of Star Wars fans, I'm going to tell you how things looked between us at the film's end because it makes an interesting anecdote.


  Guy #1: Loves Star Wars and therefore, loved 'Revenge of the Sith'.

  Guy #2: Is the biggest Star Wars fan I've ever known in my life: Thought it was great, but its bad parts reduced it to a 7 out of 10 for him.

  Guy #3: (Me) Has always liked Star Wars and has had problems with the other prequels. Found as many good things as bad. Gave it 5 out of 10.

  Guy #4: (Todd) Todd is very intelligent and is all about media and everything film. As you may have read, he watched the movie for what it is, a MOVIE, and hated it.

Take all that for what you will.

I've decided to add this next Good/Bad part of the review as to make my review seem abit more middle-of-the-road. Which was exactly my take.

Good Stuff:

  Lightsabers. LOTS.

  Star Battles. Very pretty too look at. Exaggerated but very nice.

  Choreography is good, but will also depend on your acceptance of CGI.

  Anakin's relationship with the Chancellor.

  Watching Darth Vader get outfitted for the first time and taking his first breath.

  Watching the entire Saga you've known your whole life finally come full circle.

In short, pretty much all the basics you're going to see the movie for in the first place.

Bad Stuff:

  The dialogue. Sincerely horrid. Makes Episode 2 look amazing. WILL be nominated for a Razzie, I guarantee it. If you can see past it, congratulations on being blind.

  The Wookie Battle. In fact, "What wookie battle?" is more like it.

  The abscence of acting direction. This fact, coupled with the horrid dialogue makes for some of the most strained, cringing moments I've ever seen on film.

  Overuse of CGI. To be expected, but still annoying.

  I know it's only a couple of seconds, but the Tarzan yell is stupid.

  Glaring plot-holes. Ani and Padme's "secret" relationship. Padme's impending death. See Todd's review for more input on those, because they really are obvious. And if folks will say they aren't important anyway, then they shouldn't have been written in the first place.

Some Overall Questions/Rumours Answered:

  IS IT AN IMPROVEMENT?: Yes.

Is it darker? - Yes. You even see severed heads roll around. More than once even.

Is Jar Jar in it? - Yes. He appears in 2 scenes and his total line count is: wait for it, ZERO.

What's the Wookie Battle like?: Oh, you're gonna be PISSED about this one. Have you seen the trailer? You know that shot with wookies raising their fists? Yeah, well the ENTIRE "Wookie Battle" is roughly the 6 seconds that follow.. a clip of them running down the beach to face the onslaught, a shot or two of returning fire....and... end of scene. Yup. That's it."Thanks Mr. Mayhew, tell your agent that's all we needed from you."

Is that leaked "burnt Anakin" picture from last year real? Yup.

  George Lucas does remember to include (though it's out of nowhere) a memory wipe of C3PO to seal that potential continuity error.

  Something I wasn't expecting, George Lucas brings up the midichlorians again. Just once.

Things I learnt from Revenge of the Sith:

  Painting more lasers into a picture doesn't necessarily make a better battle scene. (though the battles are nice, make no mistake)

  If both of your feet are off the ground at the same time, you instantly turn digital.

  The sadder you are, the more still you stand.
--That cut next to your eye never heals.

  Spinning a lightsabre = Fighting with a lightsabre.

  While swinging from ropes, Wookies like to bellow the "Tarzan Yell". (I'm not f*cking kidding).

Let's talk about the movie...

WAR! Is the first word on the yellow crawl we've all grown to love...
Let's dive into a world you didn't think could possibly exist: That world is.. The Land with Dialogue Even Cheesier than Episode 2. Yeah, that's right your "smooth and silky" line has been trumped folks. My heart goes out to these fully capable actors that have been handed dialogue so painfully bad. Sudden requests of "Hold me" or "'...I love you -No, I love ~you~'" to rail-stiff declarations of "Oh Ani, you're breaking my heart..." make viewing such scenes about as fun as drinking your grandfather's catheter bag. I hold nothing against these actors who are sincerely talented at what they do, being asked to speak such horrid lines with hardly any acting direction coming from.. say... oh.. the director. I'd fold in half if this stuff was handed to me. Every opening of every "chatty" scene would beckon a nervous "oh, here we go" from the audience and close with a "oh, thank GOD". And hey, I like Natalie Portman, she's extremely talented, but man... I've heard rumour she's fed up with her role in the Star Wars saga and No Bloody Wonder. It's visible she's doing what she can, but it's wildly plain that good ol' George is giving them not a shred of help. I counted at least 8 or nine different occasions where I bit my lip while grabbing anything worth grabbing -my penis included- praying that the dialogue would just freaking stop.

Fortunately, the banter does stop and we are, often, treated with yummy eye candy that we came to see. Notables here are early advancements in the X-wing and TIE fighters, but it all blows by pretty quick in an orgasmic THX sound and light show. ROTS easily contains the most lightsabre action in any film of the entire saga. (Grievous is very well endowed with his four-sabre equipped arms) So some of you will be hitting up a seat just for that. And there's plenty. Mind you, the CGI does get laid on pretty thick, which was to be expected, but doesn't make it anymore acceptable -- making a Wookie entirely CG when all he's doing is just standing there, for example, is simply silly. And like I was saying, the entire set must've been a "no-actor-jumping-zone" - because those feet can't leave the floor without the actor becoming a big cyber-floatie.

As far as characters go, for all you pervie hopefuls, There is no ..ahem.. 'scene'. All Portman-porking happens somewhere between Episode II and III. Too bad so sad. Padme is pregnant, which the long and short of it, is the reason why Anakin "turns" in the first place. Padme will die in childbirth and, as the Chancellor explains, the Dark Side has the power to stop it (some gook about tweaking the midichlorians). This whole factor is all but dropped by the time we get around to it; it is referenced a few times, but not once do we see Anakin using the Dark Side to get what he originally wanted accomplished. This was rather confusing to me, but there you are. You are told Padme is top-priority, but you're shown that she's not. Whatever. More lightsaber's will interrupt eventually and hopefully you'll forget all about all this. This whole ball starts rolling when Anakin's loyalty between the Senate vs. the Chancellor causes "much struggle in you" and eventually leads to severing of Sam Jackson's hand to keep him from killing the Chancellor when they discover that he's actually a Sith Lord. I was hoping for an"English, Mother F*cker, Can you Speak It?!?!", but it never came.

And the story folks, in a stripped down, on-paper form would be good. Errors yes, but a simple synopsis of the film would actually read fairly interesting. We all know how it's going to go, so there's really no point going into it. This sucker is just pieced together in a rather unfortunate symphony.

This movie will not clear up any debates as to what's a "good Star Wars movie". People will hate this movie. People will love it. As far as "Star Wars the Industry Icon" goes, you probably owe it to yourself to see this life-long story that's been with you since you were 3, come to a close. But I think the dues end there. Despite many pitfalls, I will admit that, of course, most of you will get what you came for: The Saga's End. Space Battles. Lightsaber Stew. A solid, glorious "bask-in-the-moment" of the creation of Darth-Vader. (Followed by a really cheesy: "Noooooo!") And a closing that leads us right into Episode 4 where all of this amazing nonsense started almost 30 years ago.

For Every part in RotS that I enjoyed watching, there was an equal number of parts that I could do with never seeing again. So, if you're looking for a numeric stat rating: Id give it straight down the middle 2 out of 4 - or 5 out of 10, etc.

Overall, I'm sad to see that the enormous chapter of Star Wars, as it rests in our culture, has come to a close. There's many memories of Star Wars I'll always have. On the Other Hand However:
I'm glad to see that the Pre-quels are finally over. Revenge of the Sith is certainly the better of the pre-quels, but if you're hoping for a film to justify the first 2, well, let's just say I'm amazed that a director who spends so much time, money, energy and research on making his film state-of-the-art, would spend so little time actually working with the people acting in it. Because it shows. In spades. -d


42 Comments

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I don't think I've ever made anyone's eyes bleed before ... hurray for me!

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Laugh out loud funny review. I don't know if you know Walter Chaw over at film-freak central, but he wrote a hilarous review of SWe2 ATC. if you haven't read it!! : http://filmfreakcentral.net/screenreviews/episodeii.htm

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well, not bleeding but feeling very very hot like they were on fire and might possible explode; i'll finish reading it eventually. it could just be the long boring day i've had at work staring at a monitor and then looking at paragraphs upon paragraphs of white text on black.

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damnit. I was hoping it wasn't so god awfully bad. I'll still see it of course, but my expectations are super low now.

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What?!?! Not even a shout out to the guy who brought you to the show!?!? AND bought you lunch?

:P

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Wasn't sure if I'd get you in trouble ...

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Let me guess! [Okay, fire away] What we have here is a bunch of wannabe indie filmmakers [filmmakers?] trashing ROTS because it's cool. [Well hero, Todd lashed out on RotS because he thought it was poorly done. I said it's better but more of the same. Call that trashing if you want.] Oh well, you've told us. [Yup.] I've seen the film [Yeah sure you have], and it is very good, Not great [damn straight], but very good. It's obvious that you twits totally lost your mind and didn't connect the dots. [Listen Terrell, you don't know us, you obviously love Star Wars: good for you. If you think Star Wars is the best Cinematic thing ever created, there's nothing we can say against that, and of COURSE you'll have a different opinion then us. The parts that we thought were bad, we really didn't like. That's it. You've really got to get off this 'insult people just because you don't agree with them' thing. Grow up.]

The funny thing is Lucas has forgotten more about filmmaking in the last 5 minutes than any of you twats will know in 10 lifetimes. [Re-phrase this, because it's rubbish.]

Your reviews are filled with factual errors [The wonderful thing about opinions is they CAN'T be wrong.] and plotholes too [Our reviews have plots?]. This review is not only incoherent [you seemed to understand it quite well], and you criticize Lucas' writing [a LOT of people do, you know - they're the people you consider transparent assholes], but it is as transparent and disingenious as the fools who wrote it. [too many undefined pronouns here, but if you just called Lucas' writing transparent and disingenious, then good for you.]

joe asshole

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Hey! This is fun! According to someone on milleniumfalcon.com Dave and I are "Wanna-be self important indie film asshats", "Another waste of life" and "assholes". Some people take their films a little too seriously. And one of them has an avatar that is Kermit the Frog sodomizing Yoda. Nothing to inspire respect like a little bit of muppet love ...

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George Lucas is a fucking hack.

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A review is just one's personal opinion. There is no need to get heated up over the fact that you liked the movie and the reveiwer did'nt.

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logboy...well said.

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well, there go all my hopes and dreams for the future. But I'm still getting a Darth Dew slushee at the next 7-eleven I see.

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Hey, how do you know he sniffs underwear?

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"Go back to beating your wife"
Wife? Ha ha ha...this nerd is probably still in his mothers basement. Or if he isn't, single.
I don't hate the prequels because I'm a indie wannabe (how can they make that assesment when the Star Wars films are indie films), I hate them because they are shitty movies.

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I think Dave's just angry because he's demonstrated his skill with a lightsaber but was not cast in any of the prequels. And Todd is just of a generally angry disposition. Did you check to see if that lame comment was written by someone in one of Lucasfilm or something? That's always hilarious when someone from the film company tries to pass as an 'average Joe' (in this case, Joe Asshole).

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According to his Ip he was in Atlanta ...

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I can't help but feel strange about a story (Star Wars) that can capture such magic and beuty and sheer astonishment ONLY when the creator of said story stays as far away from it as is humanly possible...
Sigh...I'm going to go play Knights of the Old Republic, make myself feel beter about being a Star Wars fan.

By the way, wouldn't it have made more sense for Lucas to have left Vader out of Ep.3, then when watched all together (1,2,3,etc.) someone who had never watched Star Wars before could at least have some shock when they watch Empire? Just a random thought.

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When I saw first episode, I understood that Anakin became Dart Vader.
I waited for this film to long!
I want to see the final episode anyway!
So interesting, how Anakin got this black mask

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'revenge of the brick' trailer.

entire 'revenge of the sith' script.

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Where the first or last order of a day is precisely that on a timeline, and the first and last cars from an assembly line are precisely those, regardless of style or technology, films come out and they are OUT, and nothing else should determine the order you see them in.

Asshole Joe does make a very good point about Lucas having forgotten more about filmmaking than we could ever hope to. We should admire all those fans, however, who have kept pace by never learning about any of the films that have come between his own.

And yeah. Around here pre-sale tickets have been two percent per screen, with a whopping 17% "sellout" on the midnight preview on May 18. Is it that we are not Properly Excited? Or have real fans finally been weaned?

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It always saddens me when wannabe filmmakers with so litlle to show for themselves throw stones at such a large target.
Whatever you may think of Lucas as a filmmaker, you're not even that good. Am I wrong? What film have you written and directed that millions love?
Funny how it is the people who have never made a feature film - and never will - that have the most opinions on how films should be made. Must be frustrating going through life being so smart and talented and not being acknowledged as such. By the way, I didn't think TPM or AOTC were good films, but I'm not deluded enough to think I can do better when I haven't even made a feature film.
The doers in this world simply do. You can like or hate what they've done. Then there are those who jerk-off over how they could have done better. But, of course, they will never do anything because it's safer and easier to point out the mistakes of others.

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To the guys who wrote these reviews:

Great job! It's obvious that the two of you love the original movies, but you weren't going to allow those feelings keep you from giving a brutally honest review. (Buried your feelings down deep did you.) Thanks for giving us the straight dope. I'm still going to see ROTS, of course, but now I'll keep the giddiness factor to a minimum to prevent a post-movie crash. George, damn you, you did it again...

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Dave, I seem to have struck a chord.
Perhaps you would like to vent more expletives in my direction if it gives you satisfaction and makes you feel bigger than you actually are. It's interesting that you would get so worked up over the comments of someone you don't know. You really need more joy in your life.
Have a nice day.

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You Millenium Falcon boys have brought so much joy into my life that my MSN Messenger ID is now "Wanna-be self important indie film asshat". Seriously. It makes me giggle. If there was a way to frame it, I would.

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Ok, let's recap:

Dave: "RotS wasn't a very good movie."

Grey: "You're a wannabe filmmaker with so little to show for yourself. At least Lucas makes film, you only jerk-off over how you could've done better."

Dave: "I didn't even say I'm a filmmaker and that I could do better. Why are you so upset about my review?"

Grey: "I'm not upset, you're upset! You really need more joy in your life."

Now let's play 'spot the troll'.

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Dave, I think I'm in love.

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I haven't seen the film yet but if it's true that padme DOES die in childbirth then why does Leia remeber her mother "a little bit"? HUGE gaping plot hole and no-one's mentioned it! Those that have seen it reassure me she doesn't die! It'll bug me everytime I watch ROTJ otherwise!

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Oh, no. Padme definitely dies. And yes, it is a big plot hole.

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just got back from seeing the movie.
what a steamy pile of shit.
thanks for your review, and telling us the way it really was. Still, i'm sure many people will love it (people voted for G.Bush Jr)??

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yeah, i guess you can have an opinion on it despite some kind of thing you got going on. i didnt write that comment to insult anyone but if i feel insulted then im not gonna take it. but whatever i dont really care, you can say whatever you want is the best or worst movie ever thats fine, but it just sucks that you couldnt enjoy the last episode as much as i did, it was a good way to say goodbye

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also, does anyone know why younger Anakin replaced older Anakin at the end of ROTJ? wasn't this movie ment to tell us why that happened?
i could sleep last night just thinking over how crap this movie was. (i know, i'm a looser ;) I so really wanted to like this one.

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this movie really spoils the originals for me now. things needed to wrap up so much better than they did. It shits me that so much time was wasted with the filler crap in the first 2 movies.

Wasn't Darth Vader ment to hunt down and like kill all the jedi? (not just the younglings)

Why couldn't they sence the that Chancellor was a Dark Sith Lord?

And how gay was saber fight when they where floating on the larva lake. Shit, Spy Kids 3D did it heaps better that that.

And what off the big space battle at the start?? 2 jedi fighter flying around a few ships. It looked cool, but it was hardly a epic space battle. Lame George!! LAME!
The end space Battle in ROTJ kicked its ass 20 years back. And then all the ships just disapper for some reason??

I could do on and on... and on........

Give me more of the clone wars animated show. That really rocks (now that they are longer). George should have let these guys make the movie.

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I really enjoyed the CLONE WARS cartoons, too. ROTS was a step down from the inventive aspects of those shorts, no question.

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am i the only one who thought that the dialogue in this one was better than the last two? i'd have the place it on par with rotj. not a good movie, but i still loved it in spite of its flaws.

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A frustrated fan? you bet. Oh, not about ROTS. I thought it was great! Frustrated at alot of the responses to it! Such comments as: I didn't like how quickly he turned to the darkside...! How did Leia remember her Mother....? Blah Blah Blah. There are lot of people are becoming as whiney as Luke in a New hope!!! Lucas can't write? That's just plain ignorant. First, the opening space battle was of epic scale. Infact, if one was to open their eyes and see it, you will notice a scene that features more ships than the ROTJ battle. The difference is we are following the two jedis who are on a special mission- thus the line where Obi-wan discourages Anakin from helping the other fighters. They had to stick to their mission.
Secondly, Anakin's turn to the darkside was perfect. It has always been alluded to that once you make that plunge, it is quick and difficult to turn back from. In addition, his heart was involved. He desperatly wanted to help Padme so much he selfishly ignored all else. This is typical in humans. And again, once you take that step to the darkside, well... it has been stated before...Do not underestimate the power of the darkside.
Some are upset that a hero turns bad? Give me a break. Then watch episode 1 & 2, and the watch Return of The Jedi.(just the last 5 minutes) After that, go back to watching Orphan Annie. This is a story about how a hero falls, and yet turns backin the end. Get over it.
Leia remembering her mother? Taken in the context of what Luke was addressing, it makes perfect sense. Thse are the children of the chosen one, very strong in th force are they. When Luke asks her about her mother, she admits she does remember but mostly just a feeling. She states it like it confuses her, like she just has the unexplainable feeling. Luke, who is aware of the force and his connection to it, acts as if he thoroughly understands her feeling, and then uses that to lead into explaining how she has the same power as he (meaning the force) because she is his sister...which would explain why she 'remembers' that feeling. Just like Luke can feel Vader's presence. How much more so would the bond between a mother and child be. That say in real life that an unborn child is affected y its mother singing or reading to it. Is it really a stretch to believe that Leia could retain such a feeling as she had? Not really. She couldn't even remeber much else.
I do wish Qui-gon would have made a ghostly appearance, but then again, that was not what this film was neccessarily about.
As for Grievious...some would have liked to see him more. I thought his time was adequate. He filled his role, supportingcast and a character to drive the story progression. Anymore, and the movie would have been confusing, just like the Batman movies that decided it was a good idea to have multiple villians. The result...several shallow characters that they do not have time to devlope n 2 hours. To give Grievous more time would havetaken away from the Emperor and Anakin.
Viewing the movies all together, I am left speechless with awe at the creativity that went into this Galaxy far Far Away. I thank George Lucas for a truly incredible story, and for conluded or should I say connecting the series so masterfully. For those of you who insist n whining like a little Tatooine farm boy. Grow up.

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Oh, and as for hiding the relationship...
They waited ill the politicians were walking away and they were in the shadows. Next time, watch the movie with your eyes open.
Secondly, listen as well. They made it clear that Anakin had been away a longtime in battle, so he is not living with her. He does apparently spend a few nights there while he is back on tatooine, but whoa...now everyone knows? Don't think so. This is where your eyes come into play again. Coruscant is a large planet and is one large city. How in the world could one small apartment go unnoticed? Use your brain man. Next- Why didn't she know about the twins? Um, the Galaxy is at war... She is a senator during a difficult time, perhaps a doctor's visit was not her first priority. Or, she was waiting for her husband. Or, like many today, they want to wait to find out to be suprised. Do we have to be force fed everything?
The action was great. Yeah there are movies that do it better, but who cares? The problem with movies today is that they feel they have to top one another- which cheapens it. If you like the movies with more of that crap, go see that movie and shut up. I get sick of stupid reviews. George wisely set out, not to cmpete with what is out there. He is above that. He came to tell a good story, and he accomplished that. The acting was decent. Oh, you didn't like it. Boo-hoo. Record your conversations during a day's time and you'll see that the dialogue is more realistic than you think.Not everyone goes through life incredibly dramatic. Some sound awkward or just plain ridiculous.

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Bob makes an excellent point, one that I certainly hadn't considered--the dialogue, while painful in move-type contexts could most certainly be construed as "realistic." George Lucas is a computer geek and a businessman, not a scriptwriter. Naturally, his dialogue is bound to be a lot closer to "real life" talking. Excellent observation Bob.

Remember, too...these are kids stories folks. Lucas always made Star Wars movies with children as the target audience. The fact that adults get into and form heavy opinions about them(one way or another) is an interesting ocurrence. :D

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Star Wars fans are funny.


It's a movie. Get Over It.

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I felt that the plot holes were necessary, since they are leading upto the actual movies done 30 years ago. For ex, Padme had to die, Anakin had to become Darth Vader. And the whole replublic becomes a dictatorship. My main gripe is that the collective mind of the Jedi could not feel that the Senator Palpatine is the Sith Lord, other than the fact that most of them have that uneasy feeling one gets after a heavy lunch. And why isn't anyone talking about Sam Jackson's bad role/acting job? he is forever constipated in the movie and if he could defeat the Sith lord himself, did he have to take a few hacks with him to die for the hell of it? Where's the force when you really need it?
questions questions. I think that if a movie provokes questions, then it's a good movie. Ever seen Startship Troopers. Other than why did I pay 8 bucks for it, does anyone else have another question about the movie? exactly!
Good discussion. But let's not use the profanity crutch please. :-)
-Sri

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ROTS was my favorite star wars film. the dialogue is not bad, it is stylized, and there were far fewer laughable, cliched, or simply ridiculus lines than can be found in other films with intentionaly stylized dialogue like the LOTR trilogy.

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I won't even begin to go into the multiple instances of bad grammer in the above post.

Suffice it to say, those who knock Starship Troopers as a 'big/dumb' action film are very much missing the subtext all over that film.

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:O I saw it and the bad acting did suck but the battle scenes made up for it!!!


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