UB = Uwe Boll / ZS = Zack Ward / SA = Stuart Andrews

SA: Thanks for coming out and watching the film…

Audience Member: Thanks for having it for free!

UB: When we sent the script out to agencies in Los Angeles to find actors we got a very bad response. They said like you won't get any actors, even Rob Schneider passed on the part. Then all the actors that are in the movie, they came against the wish of their agents for the casting. Zack was one of the guys actually.

I am very thankful that a lot of the actors like Seymour Cassel, David Huddleson, Erik Avari, and Dave Foley showed interest. These are actors who are totally desperate for work. They really came and they said we like that the movie also in a way hurts. It's not only funny, it's also offensive and some people say it's too much for me or whatever. To do also all this kind of full frontal nudity and this kind of stuff where you can't shoot children and there's a reason for it. Because it's kind of absurd what kind of rules are out there.

Like you cannot say 'fuck'. It's so strange. But you can do "Hostel" where you burn a face for like 10 minutes. This is no problem, but if you say fuck or if you have a naked person in the shot, whoa this is too much for us. So it's kind of strange what kind of rules are in the society or in the ratings systems.

SA: Well put. I was talking to you guys before hand and talking to some of the people involved with the film. You're trying to get the film out to the theatres and trying to get it out to the public and I guess there's some sort of problems with the content. I don't know what they would be…

ZW: It was never a really a problem with the content that much in the sense that we got an R rating from the MPAA. But honestly it is the weirdest thing to be involved in.

I'm Canadian, I'm from Toronto and I moved to the United States about 12 years ago working on films and I never really… I'm sure a lot of you guys saw "Loose Change" that movie about the 9/11, the falling of the towers and so forth and you see a little bit of conspiracy theory here and there. But actually now to be involved with what's going on with this movie where the New York Post is suing because because of parody. The New York Post took 20 seconds of the opening of the movie and showed it to some survivors of 9/11. That would be the equivalent of taking the beginning of 'Borat' where they have the 'kicking of the Jew' where they lay the Jew egg and showing that to a fucking Synagogue. Everybody would be offended, but it's not in context. So they did that, basically gunning for Uwe because he's infamous and is an easy target because everybody's gonna get on the side of 'Yah! Boo Him!'.

Uwe in response but up a website called www.NewYorkPostal.com and it's frickin' hilarious and then they started suing about it. How can you sue about parody? I thought it was freedom of speech. Well isn't that what Saturday Night Live does when they mock George Bush, or should we sue them? Now what's happening is they're actually going after theaters. They're trying to use fear tactics to stop people from distributing the film.

UB: The website is down because they sued the provider of the website and he switched it off. The whole MPAA thing was very bad for the U.S. distributor for Freestyle and Universal. Now the MPAA they get it's a satire and they gave us an 'R' rating and now the distributor in the U.S. is out of ammo right? Because they said 'look, it's an R-rating what do you want?' Basically we cut seven minutes out of it, but not harsh stuff, by only speeding up the middle part, but not cutting out any of the harsher stuff. It's tough if you actually have to work against your own distributor. They say 'Look! Wal-Mart will never carry this DVD later!' Exhibitors are all in Kentucky and Denver. AMC and Regal will not play the movie. This was one of the points we discovered while making the movie. There is kind of a censorship where you don't believe it exists until you physically feel it.

ZW: I've been amazed at what's been written down towards us on a film that really, is there anything in there that you haven't seen anywhere else? Is there anything in there you haven't seen on the internet?

Audience Member: Dave Foley full frontal.

ZW: Dude, he's got a beautiful penis and I had a lot of respect for him, because if I had done that I would have been 'this big' *Zack put his thumb and forefinger together to indicate *SMALL* But seriously, what was that movie where they pound that guys head into paste with the fire extinguisher?

Audience: 'Irreversible'

UB: But this is violence, this is a different thing. Here it's more about political content also that they have a problem with. I showed the movie at the Fangoria convention in New York and they laughed their asses off.

There was a guy after the screening and he came to me and told me his father died at September 11th. He said this was an important movie and that he liked it. He feels more cheated by the U.S. government about the whole 'after September 11th politics' and what they did out of September 11th. To see a parody, where an airplane crashes by accident into the building, he knows it's bullshit. He knows it's over the top. He knows it's satire. But he didn't feel offended.

I feel the biggest problem is in a way we see now how limited these Hollywood movies are. How many Will Ferrel comedies, how many Ben Stiller comedies, how many 'Knocked Up' and 'Superbad' comedies are we getting every week?

Every week the masses go to the same movies. If it's the Bourne Identity 3 or Transformers every week we have the same things going on and these are successful. How many movies about 'How can I fuck a girl?' comedies do I want to see? How many romantic comedies with Adam Sandler where at the end it turns sentimental and then he gets his wife and we have the happy ending and the family is the best do we need? How many of those movies do we actually want to see?

We are living in a fucked up world basically and every day we're going down the drain and nobody cares. Oh yah Global Warming I thought about it for five minutes and Afghanistan or Iraq or the religious fanatics on all sides.

Like the bible belt fanatics, they say Adam and Eve are done with dirt. Bush said to the German councillor that he believes that God told him he should start the Iraq War. In the book from the former German councillor he wrote it and he was alone with George Bush in a room and he said 'God told me I should do the Iraq War'. So what should I say, like you need pills or something?

This is a big problem that the world gets run by the U.S.A. In the U.S.A. you have a lot of good, intelligent people. But you also have 30-40% of the people voting who are in a mental state of 150 years ago.

You have facts and you have your bible shit that they put into you if you're in an elementary school in Kentucky but it's crap! It's bullshit! Your priest is a fucking idiot! You should change, not we should change, YOU should change. These people cannot determine who is ruling the world and who has ruined the world. This is a big problem. If any other country had politics like the U.S.A. they would get an embargo! They would get big problems, but because it's the U.S.A. everybody swallows it and everybody is saying 'Ahh… Ok… Maybe it will get better next year. But this is the big threat.

SA: Well put. A lot of the things that both of you brought up using examples like 'Hostel' and films like that and the fact that these are successful films and making a lot of money and that the violence seems to be ok in films. The things that get you in trouble are when you address sex, or religion or politics or race or anything like that. Was that part of your decision to avoid a straight video game adaptation and actually make a comedy to address these things?

UB: I think with a comedy you can be way harsher. Like with Postal you could make a movie out of the videogame like 'Taxi Driver'. A guy goes around and shoots everybody and it's depressing, he comes from a trailer park etc… But to do it as a comedy where you actually, I think you can hit with a comedy way harder. I was also not interested to do another video game based movie where you have only action, action, action and effects and blood or whatever. So I think it was an opportunity to do something more. To bring something that is affecting all of us in a way.

My hope was that the audience, first of all I hope the word of mouth is good and that people go online and that they start blogging about it. I hope we are getting some good reviews to support the movie because if we don't get any good reviews there will be no screens. We don't have some multi-million dollar campaign here coming up it's only reviews and word of mouth and some internet stuff….

SA: Did you guys like the movie?

Audience: *BIG CHEER*

ZW: I CAN'T HEAR YOU!

Audience: *BIGGER CHEER*

UB: I think theatres will have a decision to make. Should this movie get out? Should people see that movie? I hope yes because it's definitely opening up not only discussions but you should ask yourself 'why am I offended now?' 'why did I react to this?' if you are offended. I'm not offended by this movie, but let's say a lot of people will be offended by this movie. They should think about it. They should think also about the distribution of Hollywood movies. What films are being sold as so 'super critical'? Like 'Syriana' with George Clooney. It was a great movie, but they make it clear that it's not really questioning the real political situation. It all stays sort of strangely between where you don't really know what they are actually criticizing. Like 'Jarhead' for example, I didn't like the movie, but the question is, what is 'Jarhead' actually criticizing? You see the movie and you don't really know if the war is right or wrong. I think it was kind of, for me, it was time to do something where I show what I think.

ZW: It's kind of like The Matrix, in the sense that there's this environment that Hollywood and film works in… If you look at the way movies are made and you start to understand that you make a movie for 1-5 million dollars and then you want to get into 100 to 1,000 theatres and that's going to cost something called P&A which are prints and advertising. Prints are prints of the film and advertising are posters and commercials and all this crap. That costs another 10 million dollars just for the advertising. Before it comes out in the theatres, before it hopefully does some money.

For example 'Skinwalkers', piece of shit, came out, sat around in theatres, did $500,000. The movie cost what, $20 million dollars? Great, but that's done by studios. Studios that do it by committee. They don't make a decision, they do it based on committee. Then they have this whole machine that goes up there and they rent out their own equipment to themselves and they make film after film and they can have loss leaders year after year.

Uwe on the other side, garners the money himself, puts together investors, he puts the money into the project and then he walks around and sells the thing. So, the reason I brought up The Matrix is this is the first time I've worked with someone who is completely outside of the matrix. He's someone who as this film was being sold and put into theatres, he's the guy who puts up the P&A and he's the one who takes the loss. It's his career and it's amazing to me to watch that nobody else is really doing that. They do art films. While art films are beautiful they don't risk anything. They don't risk anybody's career. You can't have a sad movie and then that guy's never going to work again. If it's sad and it makes you cry, somebody at Sundance will like it and they'll put it right to DVD and that's fine. But that movie doesn't usually get into theatres and that person doesn't put up their own fucking cash, or doesn't put their name on the line.

So, working with Uwe has been an amazing experience for me to watch how the matrix, the machine, no matter what it is, doesn't want it to succeed. I'm not a huge fan of all of Uwe's films. I would sit there and watch them, and he's not a huge fan of all of my shit. I've been a crappy actor in the past… That one time. *laughs*

What you saw here was not the final cut, it doesn't have all of the music setup and it doesn't have all the D.I. done. Uwe's going back to Vancouver and he's editing some more and tweaking stuff out and making it perfect for its release. But it's all on him and I'm amazed to watch how the machinery in the matrix gets so pissed off and they just start slamming it. Even though people like the film. Is it perfect? No. Is it good? It's pretty fucking good, it's pretty funny, yet there's a whole machine out there trying to shut it down from ever getting into theaters.

Audience Member: So that's more publicity isn't it?

ZW: You'd fucking thing. You'd think. But the people like Freestyle who are supposed to be doing the distributing, they're a rent-a-studio, which means Uwe puts up the money for them to distribute it through their theaters. He puts up the money for the P&A…

UB: Not through the theatres, they book the film through somebody else.

ZW: And all these lawsuits should be awesome when it comes to getting publicity. What you forget is the media is a vertically integrated corporation. They're all owned by the same people. I don't mean to sound like a conspiracy theorist, look it up on the fucking internet, it exists man. So when you go and talk to one newspaper, like the guy who said the thing about 'Postal', showed 20 seconds, gave a bad review, started coming down our throats. Then he saw more of it and he sent an e-mail to Uwe and said 'You know what, I actually thought it was funny. I liked it and I wanted to re-review it and they fired me.' That's how it works.

UB: It's not over. In October we'll be getting the movie out. We will get some screens somewhere, hopefully in Toronto we'll get 2-3 screens and if you like the movie then awesome and we will go for it. Then the movie has to grow hopefully and then maybe there will be some box office and this is the way it goes.

But it's kind of a strange experience, like the big theater chains in the U.S. they're sitting in the south states and they determine what is running in New York City and they determine what's running in San Francisco. When you tell this, like we did in a show last week, to a San Francisco audience they are not really aware of it. That there are these bible belt guys and they decide what they see. But normally you will not get this because they normally show everything that comes out of the studios. If it's a political thriller with Matt Damon or George Clooney it's a star driven movie and they don't ask for political content.

As an independent movie, if you ask for screens and then you have this kind of political backlash. So in Europe it all gets released at the same time. For example in the U.K Guy Ritchie bought the movie and he's releasing it, so the guy has balls, even if his last movie sucked maybe. But I like Guy Ritchie and I'm happy that he's doing something in the U.K. In Germany it gets out and in The Netherlands it gets out and in Russia it gets out. I hope that it will grow a little.

ZW: Maybe you guys could turn it into the next like 'Rocky Horror Picture Show" so we can all come out in lingerie.

SA: You could ask Dave Foley to come out naked again.

ZW: Please don't. Does anyone have any questions as we've been pontificating?

Audience Member: Yah! Were you guys smoking weed on the set?

ZW: No! But... I will tell you what we were doing. We used this big pile of stuff, we used it on 'Almost Famous' as well. It looks like weed and it tastes 'ok' when you smoke the first one, but on joint #12 you really wanna puke. It's fake weed.

Audience Member: Does it cost more?

ZW: Uhh… No… But the insurance company that's bonding the film, closing you down because you have pot on the set costs a lot more. But good question – pothead!

Audience Member: Who played Osama in the movie?

ZW: The guy who was the soup nazi on 'Seinfeld'

UB: Larry Thomas, I think he did a great job. When we did the rehearsal, I thought like, let's skip the accent. I think it's even funnier that he's not having an Arab accent because he's lived for so long in America which is also the reason they never find him. They're not looking for him in like, in Arizona.

All the Taliban actors are Jewish. The two pilots in the beginning, they played in Stephen Spielberg's 'Munich' and they really had a blast doing that scene. So it's kind of an interesting combination.

The whole thing with Vince Desiderio and me is more of an insider gag. The idea of someone trying to kill me before the film is even made because I fucked up this videogame movie. It's like a movie within the movie and it's totally absurd, but I thought in 'Postal' you can do anything and Vern Troyer was good, I liked him.

Audience Member: I have a question for Uwe. Given that your films, your videogame films have been the worst in the genre, as a director of the videogame genre looking at other videogame films, in your opinion as a director in that genre, what film would you say is good and what film would you say is bad and why?

UB: I liked Silent Hill. I liked Resident Evil 1 and maybe the really old Mortal Kombat movie. I think there were a lot of movies that were worse than my movies. I thought Resident Evil 2 was horrible and I think Dead or Alive was maybe one of the worst movies of all time.

Audience Member: What about Double Dragon?

UB: I didn't even see that one. If you remember Wing Commander, this was also horrible. If you go on IMDB right now and you look at Postal it now has 3.7 points. But the reality is, everybody who saw it gave it 8 or 9 points and the other 500-600 people are the ones who always vote for 1 point for all my movies and they've never seen my movies. On IMDB there are definitely 500-800 people who vote 1 point for all my movies before they are even out and they're even writing it in the message boards to trash me. So I will never get a big rating on IMDB, I can do whatever I want.

This was the reason for the boxing match. Look, I can take bad reviews, but they should be… solid. As a good journalist you always have to inform the reader and show that you know what you are talking about. You have to see the good and the bad sides of a movie. But if you write a review that's only meant to entertain yourself because you're so good at producing lines that trash a guy, then you kiss the ass of Eli Roth as the new 'future of horror'. This guy got sugar in his ass from the day he was born from his father Joe Roth who was the president of fucking Sony! We're all getting so tricked! Michael Bay got $100 million bucks for his first fucking movie! I don't get it! I started with fucking 60,000 marks and worked 12-13 years in the film industry for nothing! I made no money since I was 35 and I got bashed from the same people who want to make movies on the internet like I'm the biggest enemies of these guys. This is what I don't fucking believe! I worked every fucking day to raise my 60,000 marks for my first movie and I'm the enemy? I'm an idiot or what? This is completely ridiculous. This is what was pissing me off in this whole internet bashing.

Bloodrayne was the point where I said 'I really want to hit these people'. A lot of real reviewers wrote about Bloodrayne and they never saw the movie. They went online and they read the message boards and then they trashed Bloodrayne. They didn't even watch the movie. This was the point where I said 'ok, now I have to react to them."

SA: It's funny, I actually remember when Bloodrayne came out and there were a lot of critics who said they thought it was your best film so far. But there was also this sadness in a lot of the reviews that said 'I wish it was really bad' because they had fun bashing you and everything. They were disappointed it wasn't 'bad enough'. But it's interesting that you bring up that period where you put together the fight and I was wondering, the fights been done for a year now, has that whole publicity event affected your career at all?

UB: No I don't think so. At the time I think it got a lot of attention and definitely the four guys in the ring got of attention out of it. I think that documentary will be very interesting. But I don't think it really changed anything. I wanted those four guys to come to the Postal set so they could see what we really do. That we're shooting our films not with video and that we don't make amateur movies.

ZW: We actually got Chris, a guy from Rue-Morgue, in a scene walking by me. It was funny to watch him come to a set, and I'd never met the guy before, and then he's in part of the scene where I'm walking down street. It's a simple exposition scene and how many times it took for him to get walking correct.

UB: I think Chris Alexander was the ONLY one who got something out of that whole Vancouver thing. His view of me changed and my view of him changed. The other two guys, the 'Lowtax' guy and the guy from Ainitcool.com they didn't even come to the set. They refused to come to the set.

In the application it was clearly written that it was a real boxing fight. So they lost the fight and then they thought about, how can we damage Boll? We'll tell everyone that he promised us he wouldn't hit us and then he hit us. So I thought, there are people you can basically convince with a new movie like 'Postal'. The thing about 'Postal' is that a lot of people are writing positive things and they trashed my other films. They say 'I have to admit, I like this movie'. I'm just saying give the film a chance and don't see it as 'I hate that filmmaker' see it like 'ok I saw Postal and now I'll write about that movie as if the filmmaker was an unknown or whatever.

But there are people out there, like the Aintitcool.com guys for example who are only out there to trash me. They thought about only 'how can we damage him further?' so we'll go public and we'll tell lies to everybody.

Then I lost respect totally, so I could give a shit about the Aintitcool.com guys for example because I think they are bought by Robert Rodriguez and Quentin Tarantino. They are getting carried by the major studios to the sets and so they have their heroes and so because I didn't make the right step to these guys at the right time with paying some money or something so I got in the wrong alley. I will never get out of there. So I don't put any effort anymore into people like this.

Audience Members: Are there any media here today?

UB: There was media here today.

Audience Member: I saw a table, were they part of the people that walked out?

ZW: I saw the people that walked out, they were in their sixties.

Audience Member: What inspired you to make movies about videogames and what inspired you to be an actor in videogame movies?

UB: For me, I think with "Heart of America" a movie that was barely released, I think it was only on DVD I think I did a very good movie about school violence. I didn't get any good deals on it. I basically got no attention. So what you saw in that small documentary, out of context, I have investors in Germany.

In the last 10 years I think I travelled to at least 400-500 people personally in Germany. They can write that investment off, but they still have to recoup 50% to be happy. After 50% they're covered but they didn't make any interest on my money. So I travelled to all the investors for years and years and years to raise that money and these guys are aggressive. They don't put money in a movie and then say 'Oh, I don't give a shit about it'. Every day I'll get ten e-mails from investors saying 'Where's my money? What's going on with 'Postal'? What's going on with 'Far Cry'? What's going on with 'In The Name of the King'? 'House of the Dead' when I got that script I thought 'Oh god, zombie movie, videogame movie,' did I really want to do it? But personally I like zombie movies so I said 'Ok. Let's do it."

So I did 'House of the Dead' and it made a lot of money. It was the only movie I've done so far that doubled the money for the investors. So you put $100,000 in, you get $50,000 back from the taxes, but you've got $200,000 cash back. So these people were happy.

This was also compared to all the other investments in Germany… Like German money financed 'Lord of the Rings', not New Line. 'Lord of the Rings' is 100% German money, there's not one dollar from New Line in the movie even if you think New Line was the big producer of the movie. It's not true. 'Rush Hour', 'Mission: Impossible' all German money. Germany money financed 40% of Hollywood productions in the last 15 years. This money was raised by the German banks every year - 5 or 6 billion pumping into the Hollywood studios. I was the only German filmmaker who worked his ass off to convince investors. In my movies, like in the videogame based movies, they got more money back than from their other investments.

What New Line did, even Peter Jackson sued New Line, was they charged advertising costs and they never paid the investors back. So the guys who paid so much in Germany, they have received thus far only 10%. They financed it all, 100% and they got 10% back. This is Hollywood.

The thing is that because I paid more money back in selling the movies on my own, this is the reason I grew so much and I could do a movie like 'In The Name of the King' for $60 million dollars. Every movie I did as a director I took out 120,000 marks and that's it. The rest is profit. If the movie makes profit than I make money and if the movie makes no profit I don't make money. I think this is what a lot of investors admire. They say 'At least Boll works his ass off and he's fully behind it'.

Nobody likes me in Hollywood, not only because of what you said in that I work against the system but also because I'm not a nice negotiator. I want my fucking money. I want my percentages and I want a gross window or a big MG or something.

Ask Eli Roth how much he got for Cabin Fever from Lion's Gate. Zero. They took it all, so these are the deals you get and this is unacceptable. The people that actually finance the movie are in the end in the last position and this is unfair and this is like abusing the whole system. This is the reason a lot of the independent people dry up and are getting out of the business. They aren't making movies anymore because they are getting used and spit out.

ZW: The reason, also, when people make videogame movies is if you're doing an independent or if you're doing it through a studio, the reality is you've got a guy who probably went through school, got a bachelor's degree in business and got into a studio franchise. Or he's an individual investor like Mario Kassar.

The thing is these aren't the smartest guys in the world. They're not going to necessarily read the script and go 'oh! There's something fucking amazing in there'. They're going to say 'Who knows it? Who's heard of this? How can I guarantee I recoup on my investment?'.

If you say 'Here's a Batman comic book and look at all the action figures' they'll go 'The kids like this!' or you say 'Here's a videogame' and they say 'Well I don't play videogames myself but my daughter does and maybe she's heard of it and I'll invest. They're trying to validate their risk. So that way if their daughter says 'Yes Daddy I love 'Alone in the Dark', it's my favourite video game!' I shit you not.

Remember… Why did George Lucas hire Hayden Christiansen to play Darth Vader? Anybody remember? Because his daughter thought Hayden was hot. I shit you not dude, it came down to that. Someone needed to be validated as to what their decision was going to be. So that's why you do that, because videogames are like the comic books from the old days. They have a track record, they have the stories setup, they have a proven audience and they want their movie to piggy back on this audience, therefore hoping they can get their money back.

UB: 'Bloodrayne' and 'Alone in the Dark' were in the top five in box office in Russia, Italy, Spain, in the Middle East, Thailand. In at least ten territories they were for two or three weeks in the top ten at the box office theatrically. I think this is also because genre movies can be sold everywhere. It's tough to sell a drama to Russia or to Japan because they want to see some action and they want to see some special effects. 'Postal' was not sold to Asia so far. They all looked at it at Cannes all stone faced. 'Postal' in a way is a bigger risk because you have to get the money back out of North America and parts of Europe. With 'Alone in the Dark' you had a hundred countries showing it. Are there more questions?

Audience Member: I have one for Zach. Did your agent tell you 'Uwe Boll' was interested in you, or did you find out about the part through a different route?

ZW: The process that happened for me is you get something that's called 'The Breakdowns', well I get them, you're not supposed to get them, only agents, but I'm sneaky. They have a description of all the films that are coming out and all the parts that are being auditioned for in said films.

Hustling actors like myself or character actors, you're always looking for the next opportunity, so you go through those and you see the different parts and I saw the part 'Dude'. Honestly I read it and I thought I'd fucking love to play dude because I really think that 'Dude's' story is a redhead story and I know that sounds funny to you, but if you're not a redhead you wouldn't understand.

Then I didn't get to audition for 'Dude', I got to audition for the role of the 'Black Cop'. Pretty much everyone auditioned for the role of the 'Black Cop'. From that audition I got a phone call saying that I was being offered 'Dude'. I was astonished. I was amazed. I thought my agent was lying and I told him if he was he was fired. He said 'No, seriously they want to do it!" and had I read the rest of the script, and I had.

You know he's not a risk for someone like me. The part was offered to bigger name actors before it came to me and they didn't want to take the part because they've got more films that they are the stars of. As you see in like 'Transformers', I'm the guy who does a good character part and then gets killed. Or I do this other good character part, and then I get killed or I get my ass kicked or whatever, it's always good to beat up a redhead. So I don't have that weight on my shoulders as to having to be so careful about my career because the next thing I do is going to blow-up and I'm Bruce Willis and so forth, I don't have that responsibility.

I was able to do what the other actors could not because they were worried about how it would affect their career. I knew that this could not affect my career negatively. If you see my performance in this, I'm kind of the straight man to the whole situation. I don't make any negative comments about anybody. I'm kind of the nice guy leading the story through….

UB: You can explain that later for 'Transformers 2: The Prequel' or something right? I had almost nothing to do with 'Postal'! I played the good guy!

ZW: For me it was a part where it was a great shot. It was an honour to be able to play the lead of a good film. I didn't know what was going to happen. I knew it would have enough controversy that people might give a shit. I couldn't turn that kind of opportunity down. You know it's interesting that there were bigger actors out there that were offered it and were scared to do it and I'm really glad that they're pussies.

UB: David Cross passed on it. Sarah Silverman passed on it.

ZW: Sarah Silverman was going to be the 'Dude'? That would have been hot right? Yah!

UB: No, she was after Jackie Tohn's part. Then you see that they don't really want to fight the system. They want to make their gags, and I love David Cross and I love Sarah Silverman. They didn't want to go over that edge where they really piss someone off. This let me see that this is the border, or the edge and nobody wants to go over it, but who gives a shit let's go over it.

ZW: Let's hire Zach!

Audience Member: Do you ever kind of enjoy your underdog status? You don't mind getting into exchanges with critics. Do you ever like the fact that you're considered the underdog?

UB: I would be better off to get the Palm d'Or in Cannes and only good reviews and the studios give me a big deal and releases all my movies without any censorship right? The other point is that also there is a silent group of people that enjoy the movies, otherwise we wouldn't have sold so many DVD's. It's not like 'House of the Dead' or 'Alone in the Dark' were bombs in the home video market. 'House of the Dead' sold 1.6 million copies in the U.S., 'Alone in the Dark' sold 1.2 million copies in the U.S. and 'Bloodrayne' was the most successful DVD release for a movie with under five million at the box office ever. We sell as many DVD's of my movies as movies that do 50 million dollars at the box office, like 'Underworld' or 'Resident Evil'. But I'm still not happy with that because I want to have the box office. I hope it will change a little with 'Postal' even if it's the toughest movie to get out there. I think actually 'Postal' is my best movie. I think it's by far my best movie.

*Audience Applause*

SA: I really enjoyed this. I think you guys should keep doing more comedies. I think that by the response of everyone here they really enjoyed it and perhaps we can start a little word of mouth. I was just told that we do unfortunately have to wrap it up because …

UB: One last question?

Audience Member: I have a question for Zach. How does it feel going from a child actor in 'A Christmas Story' to a main actor in 'Postal'?

ZW: It's a really nice feeling.

Audience Member: How do you raise money for a controversial movie like this?

ZW: Don't tell them about the script.

UB: Exactly! I never talk with my German investors about any project. They give me the money to make the movies. 'Postal' was also a videogame based movie and the concept is that there is a built in audience for it. This is only a good thing, these are pure money driven investments. They have no clue what I'm doing. They follow up to see what happens with the movies. It was worth it to go around and visit every private investor to put $50,000-$100,000 into the movie because at least they don't control you like a big investor. So I have tons of small investors. I don't have the one guy giving me $20 million, I have 150 people giving me $50,000, $100,000, $200,000. With all my movies combined I have a total of 5,550 investors. So it's a huge amount of investors and because it's so spread out there's no real follow-up with what I am doing. They only follow-up to see how much has hit their bank account, and then they're getting mad with me. *laughs*

ZW: So go see the movie so that the money will hit the bank account. Fair?

SA>: Thank you very much. Thank you everybody.

Transcription by Sean O'Grady